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step2000
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Credit: 1,214,477,623
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PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,370,959)321 Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (47,571)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (210,226)PPS Sieve Double Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000,000 credits (1,210,482,277)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (72,403)TRP Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (263,592)GFN Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (30,595)
Message 74364 - Posted: 11 Mar 2014 | 14:32:00 UTC

Up to 128,000 in pending credit some 3+ days old. Is there something wrong or is the server just busy?

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321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,009,885)Cullen LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,440,123)ESP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,008,511)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,389,215)PSP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,080,442)SoB LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,143,918)SR5 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,853,162)SGS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,344,963)TRP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,140,037)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,130,355)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,038,617)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (36,643,348)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,000,717)TRP Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,298,244)GFN Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (17,346,536)PSA Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,125,451)
Message 74365 - Posted: 11 Mar 2014 | 14:36:36 UTC

From what I can tell you are only running PPS Sieve. Not too long ago something has changed for this subproject. These days each work unit needs to be verified, i.e. every work unit you return will also need to be returned by another computer with the same results. As soon as that happens your unit will get credit. Getting the second, matching result can take a number of days for this subproject.
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Credit: 1,214,477,623
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PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,370,959)321 Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (47,571)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (210,226)PPS Sieve Double Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000,000 credits (1,210,482,277)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (72,403)TRP Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (263,592)GFN Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (30,595)
Message 74909 - Posted: 25 Mar 2014 | 18:55:43 UTC - in response to Message 74365.

From what I can tell you are only running PPS Sieve. Not too long ago something has changed for this subproject. These days each work unit needs to be verified, i.e. every work unit you return will also need to be returned by another computer with the same results. As soon as that happens your unit will get credit. Getting the second, matching result can take a number of days for this subproject.


So you're saying another user is processing the same WU and if they match I get credit?

Or

You have a second system that does a HASH of sometime to validate the WU sent in?

It just seems strange that it goes down to almost nothing and then climbs each week to 128K or more like 4+ days now of WU pending.

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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 1 mega primeFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2021 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,732,230)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,624,591)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,021,269)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,754)PPS LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,751,038)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,197,957)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (36,067,618)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,007,110)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,718,606)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,084,329)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,963,361)321 Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,885,121)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,118,303)WW Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (26,816,000)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (77,916,132)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,445,029)
Message 74910 - Posted: 25 Mar 2014 | 19:07:53 UTC - in response to Message 74909.

From what I can tell you are only running PPS Sieve. Not too long ago something has changed for this subproject. These days each work unit needs to be verified, i.e. every work unit you return will also need to be returned by another computer with the same results. As soon as that happens your unit will get credit. Getting the second, matching result can take a number of days for this subproject.


So you're saying another user is processing the same WU and if they match I get credit?


Correct.

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Discovered 1 mega prime321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,038,739)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,074,615)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,028,743)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,142,353)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,285,482)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,232,103)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,934,612)SR5 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,053,250)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,152,318)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,025,737)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,014,811)321 Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (23,770,672)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (944,431)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,813,253)PPS Sieve Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (339,850,817)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,446,797)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (33,140,471)WW Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,884,000)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (49,144,415)PSA Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,457,430)
Message 74928 - Posted: 26 Mar 2014 | 11:52:19 UTC - in response to Message 74909.


It just seems strange that it goes down to almost nothing and then climbs each week to 128K or more like 4+ days now of WU pending.


Make your cache smaller so you get fewer units, meaning you will return those units more often and your credit will stabilize. It can take a few weeks in some cases for the ins and out to flatten out as you and your various wingmen find a happy medium. Also your wingman on one units may not be your wingman on the next unit, it depends on how many others are also crunching the types of units you are crunching.

One other problem in getting credits is if your wingmans pc has problems, then your unit would be sent out to another wingman and you will have to wait for them to return the unit. If you look at your units on the webpage you will see this under 'workunit':
minimum quorum 2
initial replication 2
max # of error/total/success tasks 15, 15, 15

The first line means it required 2 people to validate a unit, then it was initially sent to 2 people. The last line is how many times a single unit can be resent if there are problems with either it or the wingmen before the project takes an indepth look at it.

In short most units are returned well within their deadlines of 3 days, but some aren't and for those that aren't we must continue to wait as the unit makes its way thru the system in the normal everyday fashion they do. I clicked on one of your valid units and you are taking roughly 2 days for the Server to get the unit back, while your wingman, in the unit I checked, only took one day.

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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 1 mega primeFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2021 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,732,230)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,624,591)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,021,269)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,754)PPS LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,751,038)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,197,957)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (36,067,618)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,007,110)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,718,606)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,084,329)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,963,361)321 Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,885,121)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,118,303)WW Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (26,816,000)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (77,916,132)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,445,029)
Message 74929 - Posted: 26 Mar 2014 | 12:10:08 UTC - in response to Message 74928.

Make your cache smaller so you get fewer units, meaning you will return those units more often and your credit will stabilize.


That's true on most other BOINC projects, but is no longer true on PrimeGrid.

We have the tasks set to be returned immediately, so the number of other tasks you have has no effect on when they get reported or when credit is assigned.

This change was made earlier this year.

(The exception to this is GFN-WR because we're still crunching old GFN-WR workunits from before we made this change.)
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Credit: 1,214,477,623
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PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,370,959)321 Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (47,571)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (210,226)PPS Sieve Double Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000,000 credits (1,210,482,277)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (72,403)TRP Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (263,592)GFN Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (30,595)
Message 74936 - Posted: 26 Mar 2014 | 16:44:40 UTC

Thanks for details on Wingman concept. I see in the details now and understand. I have noticed many fails on other systems on several WU's and I figure after so long they will clear when someone else completes them also. Is there any time limit on being held open before they just credit or drop?

Thanks!

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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 1 mega primeFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2021 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,732,230)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,624,591)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,021,269)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,754)PPS LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,751,038)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,197,957)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (36,067,618)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,007,110)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,718,606)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,084,329)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,963,361)321 Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,885,121)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,118,303)WW Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (26,816,000)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (77,916,132)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,445,029)
Message 74941 - Posted: 26 Mar 2014 | 17:30:49 UTC - in response to Message 74936.

Thanks for details on Wingman concept. I see in the details now and understand. I have noticed many fails on other systems on several WU's and I figure after so long they will clear when someone else completes them also. Is there any time limit on being held open before they just credit or drop?

Thanks!


There's no time limit on the workunit. Eventually another computer will return a matching result. If the results don't match, a third computer is used to determine which of the first two was correct.
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Discovered 1 mega prime321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,038,739)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,074,615)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,028,743)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,142,353)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,285,482)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,232,103)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,934,612)SR5 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,053,250)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,152,318)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,025,737)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,014,811)321 Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (23,770,672)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (944,431)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,813,253)PPS Sieve Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (339,850,817)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,446,797)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (33,140,471)WW Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,884,000)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (49,144,415)PSA Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,457,430)
Message 74970 - Posted: 27 Mar 2014 | 12:06:52 UTC - in response to Message 74929.

Make your cache smaller so you get fewer units, meaning you will return those units more often and your credit will stabilize.


That's true on most other BOINC projects, but is no longer true on PrimeGrid.

We have the tasks set to be returned immediately, so the number of other tasks you have has no effect on when they get reported or when credit is assigned.

This change was made earlier this year.

(The exception to this is GFN-WR because we're still crunching old GFN-WR workunits from before we made this change.)


Hey it's only 8AM and I already learned something new today. THANKS!!

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