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Discovered 7 mega primesEliminated 1 conjecture "k"Found 3 primes in the 2020 Tour de PrimesFound 1 mega prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,118,548)Cullen LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,060,753)ESP LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,332,648)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,205,056)PPS LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (35,538,093)PSP LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,426,610)SoB LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,552,110)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (15,746,191)SGS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,029,775)TRP LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (16,285,885)Woodall LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,363,566)321 Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (50,559,131)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,297,856)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,711,622)PPS Sieve Double Gold: Earned 500,000,000 credits (525,472,990)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,707,274)TRP Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,316,578)AP 26/27 Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (127,594,642)GFN Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (336,587,860)PSA Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (52,053,230)
Message 143650 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 4:06:03 UTC
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Let's say I want to crunch SOB. And I want to compare my computer's performance against the rest of the field for that sub-project. Specifically, I want to see what machines are fastest, and then drill down to see their configs (and threads per task). Is there a way to show all results and filter by sub-project?
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Message 143651 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 4:23:01 UTC - in response to Message 143650.

Let's say I want to crunch SOB. And I want to compare my computer's performance against the rest of the field for that sub-project. Specifically, I want to see what machines are fastest, and then drill down to see their configs (and threads per task). Is there a way to show all results and filter by sub-project?


Unfortunately not.

I can't even do that manually querying the database. At least not if I want to get solid, reliable results.

The reason I don't even try to get that information for myself, let alone make it available to users, is that the signal to noise ratio is so low as to make it almost useless.

While I can see the CPU models, and with some difficulty can see how many threads were used, we don't have any information about hyperthreading, what else is running on the computer, clock speeds, memory speeds, etc.

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Message 143653 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 5:05:11 UTC
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Yeah, I get the "noise" problem. But it would be nice to know if my machine is in the ballpark of similar machines, and what the goal/benchmark looks like. IOW, what would it take to be #1.

Edit: Oddly enough, I could get an idea before LLR2 came out. I could see the win percentage, and then look at the machines that beat me when we had similar issue times for our tasks. But now with LLR2, that is gone.
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Message 143657 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 9:25:36 UTC - in response to Message 143653.

well your 321 sieve tasks on your threadripper are running 10% slower than mine when I'd expect them to be about the same, presuming you don't have something else running at the same time.

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Message 143659 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 11:21:37 UTC - in response to Message 143657.

well your 321 sieve tasks on your threadripper are running 10% slower than mine when I'd expect them to be about the same, presuming you don't have something else running at the same time.


His are running comparable times to my own 321sieve tasks on my own 1920X threadripper so yes he must be doing something else too. I also have half the ram he does.

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Message 143661 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 12:35:30 UTC - in response to Message 143659.
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well your 321 sieve tasks on your threadripper are running 10% slower than mine when I'd expect them to be about the same, presuming you don't have something else running at the same time.


His are running comparable times to my own 321sieve tasks on my own 1920X threadripper so yes he must be doing something else too. I also have half the ram he does.


I have a 3970 threadripper and my times are about the same (~3000 seconds when running 50%cpu). I noticed though with Sieve tasks, you do not have to follow the 50% rule. I bumped my # cpu to 95% and took a small penalty for time for each task ~10% but I am doing almost twice as many tasks. With Sieve, who cares if you are second checker so 10% longer per task is acceptable for twice the throughput.
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Message 143662 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 12:45:48 UTC - in response to Message 143661.

I'm running 15 /16 cores for my sieve tasks on the 3700x. I don't recall them being any slower on the 3950x (31/32) but I'll be running some later today so we'll see.

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Message 143663 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 12:52:36 UTC - in response to Message 143662.

I'm running 15 /16 cores for my sieve tasks on the 3700x. I don't recall them being any slower on the 3950x (31/32) but I'll be running some later today so we'll see.


I am running Ubuntu so maybe it is an OS issue? Either way, I am okay with a small slowdown.

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Message 143666 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 14:15:46 UTC - in response to Message 143663.

I'm running 15 /16 cores for my sieve tasks on the 3700x. I don't recall them being any slower on the 3950x (31/32) but I'll be running some later today so we'll see.


I am running Ubuntu so maybe it is an OS issue? Either way, I am okay with a small slowdown.

You'll be attacked by penguins if you try to suggest Ubuntu is slower than windows :-p

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Message 143667 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 15:03:28 UTC - in response to Message 143666.

I'm running 15 /16 cores for my sieve tasks on the 3700x. I don't recall them being any slower on the 3950x (31/32) but I'll be running some later today so we'll see.


I am running Ubuntu so maybe it is an OS issue? Either way, I am okay with a small slowdown.

You'll be attacked by penguins if you try to suggest Ubuntu is slower than windows :-p


Valid point.......although penguins are slow and easily out ran:)
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Message 143668 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 15:24:39 UTC

FWIW, I am running my 3970Xs with HT on, 64x 321 Sieve tasks at a time, plus two Genefer 17 Mega GPU tasks at the same time. No threads reserved for GPU tasks.

But I was asking about SOB in particular. My i9-9820X (with HT off) just did one in 32,999 seconds with two Genefer 17 Mega GPU tasks running at the same time. It has AVX-512. Is that good? The best ever? Horribly bad? No way to know. This is why I started the thread.
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Message 143670 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 15:42:40 UTC - in response to Message 143668.

FWIW, I am running my 3970Xs with HT on, 64x 321 Sieve tasks at a time, plus two Genefer 17 Mega GPU tasks at the same time. No threads reserved for GPU tasks.

But I was asking about SOB in particular. My i9-9820X (with HT off) just did one in 32,999 seconds with two Genefer 17 Mega GPU tasks running at the same time. It has AVX-512. Is that good? The best ever? Horribly bad? No way to know. This is why I started the thread.


I have particular problems with SOB, I am unsure as well if my setting are in the best config. I have 3 GPUs and tasks between each card (all 2070supers) seem to vary quite a bit as well. My system acts funny when I turn HT off, I am running ubuntu, and when I turn HT off in Bios, funny things happen. Generally, 50% cpus gets me the best result, I found that SOB runs best using 8 threads per task, where as most other subprojects the magic number is 4 threads per task
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Message 143671 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 15:49:30 UTC - in response to Message 143668.

FWIW, I am running my 3970Xs with HT on, 64x 321 Sieve tasks at a time, plus two Genefer 17 Mega GPU tasks at the same time. No threads reserved for GPU tasks.

But I was asking about SOB in particular. My i9-9820X (with HT off) just did one in 32,999 seconds with two Genefer 17 Mega GPU tasks running at the same time. It has AVX-512. Is that good? The best ever? Horribly bad? No way to know. This is why I started the thread.

3950x just finished its batch of 31 slightly faster than the 3700x, which is not a surprise as it clocks slightly higher. What memory are you using for your threadripper?


33000 seconds seems like better overall performance for your 9 cores vs these running on 14.

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Message 143672 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 16:02:00 UTC - in response to Message 143670.


I have particular problems with SOB, I am unsure as well if my setting are in the best config. I have 3 GPUs and tasks between each card (all 2070supers) seem to vary quite a bit as well. My system acts funny when I turn HT off, I am running ubuntu, and when I turn HT off in Bios, funny things happen. Generally, 50% cpus gets me the best result, I found that SOB runs best using 8 threads per task, where as most other subprojects the magic number is 4 threads per task

SoB tasks are much larger than all the other tasks.
Did you manage to run the prime95 benchmarks?

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Message 143674 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 16:11:59 UTC - in response to Message 143672.


I have particular problems with SOB, I am unsure as well if my setting are in the best config. I have 3 GPUs and tasks between each card (all 2070supers) seem to vary quite a bit as well. My system acts funny when I turn HT off, I am running ubuntu, and when I turn HT off in Bios, funny things happen. Generally, 50% cpus gets me the best result, I found that SOB runs best using 8 threads per task, where as most other subprojects the magic number is 4 threads per task

SoB tasks are much larger than all the other tasks.
Did you manage to run the prime95 benchmarks?


Yes,
The results were as you suspected. The throughput is best with 8 threads

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I have particular problems with SOB, I am unsure as well if my setting are in the best config. I have 3 GPUs and tasks between each card (all 2070supers) seem to vary quite a bit as well. My system acts funny when I turn HT off, I am running ubuntu, and when I turn HT off in Bios, funny things happen. Generally, 50% cpus gets me the best result, I found that SOB runs best using 8 threads per task, where as most other subprojects the magic number is 4 threads per task


+---------+---------+----------+-------------------+-------------------+ | userid | hostid | count(*) | avg(cpu_time) | avg(elapsed_time) | +---------+---------+----------+-------------------+-------------------+ | | | 18 | 7276841.777777778 | 895767.7073937221 | | | | 26 | 5213018.423076923 | 639105.9981281538 | | 1257095 | 1002364 | 4 | 801615.3 | 105434.445987 | +---------+---------+----------+-------------------+-------------------+


(SQL: select r.userid,r.hostid,count(*),avg(cpu_time),avg(elapsed_time) from result r join host h on r.hostid=h.id join workunit w on r.workunitid=w.id where r.appid=13 and server_state=5 and outcome=1 and validate_state in (0,1,4) and !(w.opaque & 0x4000) and h.p_model like '%3970x%' group by r.userid,r.hostid;)

Considering SOB times vary depending on the K, I'm not sure if there's any useful information you can get from that data. It excludes the fast DC tasks. Those would really mess with then numbers!

EDIT: I incorrectly removed the fast DC tasks before. The numbers now are correct. The sample size is larger but the times didn't change much.
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Message 143688 - Posted: 25 Sep 2020 | 21:45:50 UTC - in response to Message 143666.

I'm running 15 /16 cores for my sieve tasks on the 3700x. I don't recall them being any slower on the 3950x (31/32) but I'll be running some later today so we'll see.


I am running Ubuntu so maybe it is an OS issue? Either way, I am okay with a small slowdown.

You'll be attacked by penguins if you try to suggest Ubuntu is slower than windows :-p


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3,923.60 3,923.60 609.89 321 (Sieve) v2.00

Windows 10 running 321 Sieve:
3,769.70 3,761.97 609.89 321 (Sieve) v2.00

Both 1920X Threadrippers, 12/24 cores, running with no core restrictions other than one task per core, the only difference is the motherboard is different in each machine.

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I'm curious to see the (near) median values for cpu_time and elapsed_time for this example.
select MIN(cpu_time) FROM (SELECT TOP 50 PERCENT cpu_time from result r join host h on r.hostid=h.id join workunit w on r.workunitid=w.id where r.appid=13 and server_state=5 and outcome=1 and validate_state in (0,1,4) and !(w.opaque & 0x4000) and h.p_model like '%3970x%');
select MIN(elapsed_time) FROM (SELECT TOP 50 PERCENT elapsed_time from result r join host h on r.hostid=h.id join workunit w on r.workunitid=w.id where r.appid=13 and server_state=5 and outcome=1 and validate_state in (0,1,4) and !(w.opaque & 0x4000) and h.p_model like '%3970x%');

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I'm curious to see the (near) median values for cpu_time and elapsed_time for this example.
select MIN(cpu_time) FROM (SELECT TOP 50 PERCENT cpu_time from result r join host h on r.hostid=h.id join workunit w on r.workunitid=w.id where r.appid=13 and server_state=5 and outcome=1 and validate_state in (0,1,4) and !(w.opaque & 0x4000) and h.p_model like '%3970x%');
select MIN(elapsed_time) FROM (SELECT TOP 50 PERCENT elapsed_time from result r join host h on r.hostid=h.id join workunit w on r.workunitid=w.id where r.appid=13 and server_state=5 and outcome=1 and validate_state in (0,1,4) and !(w.opaque & 0x4000) and h.p_model like '%3970x%');



MySQL does not support TOP.
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