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Message 140628 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020 | 21:11:33 UTC

Looking at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Global_prefs_override.xml and https://boinc.mundayweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_do_I_set_up_the_Preferences_Override_File%3F, it appears that i should be able to constrain my system to only use a subset of the 64 cores.

My edit for % cpu time in global_prefs_override seems to work. But CPU count is still running the full machine. Suggestions?

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Message 140631 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020 | 3:11:37 UTC - in response to Message 140628.
Last modified: 7 Jun 2020 | 3:15:42 UTC

... it appears that i should be able to constrain my system to only use a subset of the 64 cores. ...

I 'm almost sure this is not possible. (Maybe some third party software can do this trick.)
In my experience, setting % of CPUs will NOT restrain computing to only some of the cores (or threads, in case you have hyperthreading ON).
Processing is always spread by the OS through all available cores/threads.
This setting seems to only affect the number of tasks that will be downloaded from the server (and end up sitting waiting to begin running).
Please, more knowledgeable guys, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Message 140636 - Posted: 8 Jun 2020 | 3:12:49 UTC - in response to Message 140631.

On my windows boinc manager client, one of the options is "Use at most X% of the CPUs," and separately, "Use at most Y% of CPU time." I guess i don't understand what the first one does.

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Message 140637 - Posted: 8 Jun 2020 | 3:17:18 UTC - in response to Message 140636.

It must be threads. If someone could verify or explain, I'd appreciate the info.

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Message 140638 - Posted: 8 Jun 2020 | 5:18:28 UTC - in response to Message 140637.

It must be threads. If someone could verify or explain, I'd appreciate the info.


Correct, it is threads. I suggest setting the Y% to 100 always, since BOINC is just suspending and restarting calculations on your CPU, which harms it even more.
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Message 140639 - Posted: 8 Jun 2020 | 7:47:44 UTC - in response to Message 140628.
Last modified: 8 Jun 2020 | 7:50:05 UTC

When changing <max_cpus>64</max_cpus> in global_prefs_override.xml file, do you select option 'Run based on preferences' in 'Activity' tab of Boinc Manager?

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321 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (100,228)Cullen LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (112,212)ESP LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (48,696)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (22,645)PPS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,330,635)PSP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (100,559)SoB LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (138,888)SR5 LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (64,280)SGS LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (100,702)TRP LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (67,784)Woodall LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (117,864)321 Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (506,814)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (30,033)PPS Sieve Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,007,929)AP 26/27 Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (161,720)WW Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (256,000)GFN Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,164,824)PSA Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (373,034)
Message 140640 - Posted: 8 Jun 2020 | 8:50:45 UTC - in response to Message 140639.

When changing <max_cpus>64</max_cpus> in global_prefs_override.xml file, do you select option 'Run based on preferences' in 'Activity' tab of Boinc Manager?


Yes, that will run based on your local prefs AFAIK.
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Message 140644 - Posted: 8 Jun 2020 | 11:10:06 UTC - in response to Message 140637.

It must be threads. If someone could verify or explain, I'd appreciate the info.


Yes it's threads and it help if you have a gpu that neeeds a cpu core to give it's max to set it at 99% so one cpu core is free for whatever the pc wants to do with it, including keeping the gpu running at full speed. I also use it to limit my pc's that have 'issues' running for whatever reason by setting it lower than 100% to throttle it back to a point where it doesn't reboot or quit. The setting is a percentage of the total including the virtual cores, so on your 64 core pc a setting of 50% would equal 32 cores. BUT it's a global Boinc setting for that pc, meaning only 32 cores, in this example, would be used for ALL Boinc crunching if you set it at 50%. It is NOT an okay let PrimeGrid use 50% of the cpu cores and let Seti use the other 50% setting.

Alot of us used it before Prime Grid gave us the new way to use MT settings to limit our cpu cores when crunching here, most of us used it to limit our crunching to the non HT or virtual cores. ie on an i7 that had 4 real and 8 cpu cores thru HT we would limit Boinc to 50% of the total to make it crunch faster. Newer cpu's have made that a bit fuzzy and it's best to test things before figuring out which works best for you.

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Message 140645 - Posted: 8 Jun 2020 | 13:55:11 UTC - in response to Message 140644.

It must be threads. If someone could verify or explain, I'd appreciate the info.


Yes it's threads and it help if you have a gpu that neeeds a cpu core to give it's max to set it at 99% so one cpu core is free for whatever the pc wants to do with it, including keeping the gpu running at full speed. I also use it to limit my pc's that have 'issues' running for whatever reason by setting it lower than 100% to throttle it back to a point where it doesn't reboot or quit. The setting is a percentage of the total including the virtual cores, so on your 64 core pc a setting of 50% would equal 32 cores. BUT it's a global Boinc setting for that pc, meaning only 32 cores, in this example, would be used for ALL Boinc crunching if you set it at 50%. It is NOT an okay let PrimeGrid use 50% of the cpu cores and let Seti use the other 50% setting.

Alot of us used it before Prime Grid gave us the new way to use MT settings to limit our cpu cores when crunching here, most of us used it to limit our crunching to the non HT or virtual cores. ie on an i7 that had 4 real and 8 cpu cores thru HT we would limit Boinc to 50% of the total to make it crunch faster. Newer cpu's have made that a bit fuzzy and it's best to test things before figuring out which works best for you.


Again, I have a (maybe off-topic) question:
What will happen when Intel's big.SMALL architecture comes out? What will BOINC do to optimise for only the larger cores?
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Message 140648 - Posted: 8 Jun 2020 | 19:44:33 UTC - in response to Message 140639.

I'm running in server mode, so my boinc manager is boinccmd. So, the way i load the pref overrides is with boinccmd -- read_global_prefs_override. Seems to work. The documentation could be better though.

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Message 140656 - Posted: 9 Jun 2020 | 11:30:56 UTC - in response to Message 140648.
Last modified: 9 Jun 2020 | 11:32:39 UTC

I'm running in server mode, so my boinc manager is boinccmd. So, the way i load the pref overrides is with boinccmd -- read_global_prefs_override. Seems to work. The documentation could be better though.


/etc/init.d/boinc-client reload

or

/etc/init.d/boinc-client stop

followed by

/etc/init.d/boinc-client start

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Discovered 1 mega prime321 LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (523,684)Cullen LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (70,714)ESP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (487,165)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (655,628)PPS LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (46,232,735)PSP LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (669,965)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,228,965)SR5 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (130,270)SGS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,846,060)TRP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (325,987)Woodall LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (83,831)321 Sieve (suspended) Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (52,430,594)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,829,178)PPS Sieve Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,068,607)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,793,943)TRP Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,430,252)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,037,296)GFN Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (206,194,041)
Message 140664 - Posted: 10 Jun 2020 | 3:55:04 UTC - in response to Message 140656.

Thank you all for your messages. Things got better, and now way worse. I'll start a new thread with a list of issues -- they may all be related.

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Discovered 1 mega prime321 LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (523,684)Cullen LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (70,714)ESP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (487,165)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (655,628)PPS LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (46,232,735)PSP LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (669,965)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,228,965)SR5 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (130,270)SGS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,846,060)TRP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (325,987)Woodall LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (83,831)321 Sieve (suspended) Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (52,430,594)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,829,178)PPS Sieve Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,068,607)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,793,943)TRP Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,430,252)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,037,296)GFN Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (206,194,041)
Message 140711 - Posted: 11 Jun 2020 | 14:13:11 UTC - in response to Message 140631.

global_prefs_override support parameter

<max_cpus_pcnt>X</<max_cpus_pcnt>

Works.

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