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Message 129111 - Posted: 2 May 2019 | 3:03:39 UTC

Hello!
I remember when I first joined there were a few resources that hinted at how long each project would be. I now can't seem to find that list and I'm not sure which projects to pick and choose from.

My video cards vary drastically - right now I have a gtx 670M crunching and the current project it's working on is 10 days. It's going to meet the deadline with plenty to spare, but I'd rather not have this happen again if I can avoid it and have, for instance, my rx570 get it done quicker.

Any help on this is much appreciated.

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Message 129112 - Posted: 2 May 2019 | 3:17:43 UTC

On your PrimeGrid Preferences page (link on your account page) you can see the average run time for each project for CPU and GPU when you select "Edit Preferences".
Is this what you're remembering?
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Message 129133 - Posted: 2 May 2019 | 21:33:00 UTC - in response to Message 129112.

On your PrimeGrid Preferences page (link on your account page) you can see the average run time for each project for CPU and GPU when you select "Edit Preferences".
Is this what you're remembering?


I have absolutely no idea how I missed this, but yes, that's exactly what I've been looking for.
Goodness there are a lot of projects to pick and choose from. I scrolled up from the bottom and was wondering why there were so many available preferences. Now I know why.

Out of curiosity, are there any projects in particular that Linux or Windows does better at, both for CPU or GPU?

Am I to assume the deadline 'up to' takes your equipment into consideration and sets the deadline accordingly?

thank you for the help so far.

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Message 129143 - Posted: 3 May 2019 | 4:02:15 UTC - in response to Message 129133.

Out of curiosity, are there any projects in particular that Linux or Windows does better at, both for CPU or GPU?


Not really.

Am I to assume the deadline 'up to' takes your equipment into consideration and sets the deadline accordingly?


It's something else.

Let's say the deadline is 4 days. Even if your computer is running slowly, as long as it's making progress, every day it will report its progress to the server. When it does this, the server may decide to give your computer more time beyond those 4 days. It will do this as long as your computer keeps making progress.

It will do this up to the maximum deadline, typically 30 days.

But if your computer is not making progress, it will timeout in the normal 4 days.
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Message 129154 - Posted: 3 May 2019 | 15:01:34 UTC - in response to Message 129143.

Excellent, thanks!
I'm assuming GPU work is much more popular than CPU only? I'll be adding a few of both and probably mixing and matching preferences based on processing power, though these deadlines are more than adequate for most of my machines I think...I don't have many GPUs worth mentioning though unfortunately.

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Message 129378 - Posted: 12 May 2019 | 12:01:39 UTC - in response to Message 129154.

GPU work earns you credit much faster - but for finding large primes, you have a much better chance with the CPU LLR apps. SMALL primes can be found either way. (Or at least that's the rumor... I'm cursed...) You posted your hardware in another thread, I don't remember all of it, but I was thinking as I read, "Sieve... sieve... sieve..."

Any non-Intel, or older Intel, box will do fine on any of the CPU sieve apps. 321-SV right now is the best "credit per thread" IMHO. You can run one task on every thread on every slower box you have, and rack up credit pretty quick. You will NOT find a prime that way, though.

Any decent Intel CPU with AVX (the newer ones) I'd put on one of the LLR apps. I'm no LLR expert but something like ESP or 321 or TRP is where I'd start - the "middle run time" ones. If that works well, then step up to the big ones. I'd avoid SOB until you're comfortable with really long run times and have a really stable system to do it with.

GPU - with what you have, I'd do PPS-SV for faster credits, or the lower GFNs if you want a prime. I love GFN-22 and "Lucky" but I don't mind my fastest GPU running one task for 3-5 days...

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Message 129452 - Posted: 14 May 2019 | 4:31:32 UTC - in response to Message 129378.

GPU work earns you credit much faster - but for finding large primes, you have a much better chance with the CPU LLR apps. SMALL primes can be found either way. (Or at least that's the rumor... I'm cursed...) You posted your hardware in another thread, I don't remember all of it, but I was thinking as I read, "Sieve... sieve... sieve..."

Any non-Intel, or older Intel, box will do fine on any of the CPU sieve apps. 321-SV right now is the best "credit per thread" IMHO. You can run one task on every thread on every slower box you have, and rack up credit pretty quick. You will NOT find a prime that way, though.

Any decent Intel CPU with AVX (the newer ones) I'd put on one of the LLR apps. I'm no LLR expert but something like ESP or 321 or TRP is where I'd start - the "middle run time" ones. If that works well, then step up to the big ones. I'd avoid SOB until you're comfortable with really long run times and have a really stable system to do it with.

GPU - with what you have, I'd do PPS-SV for faster credits, or the lower GFNs if you want a prime. I love GFN-22 and "Lucky" but I don't mind my fastest GPU running one task for 3-5 days...

I have no issue with this either. All my machines seem to be pretty stable so far from what I can see. That 75% credit bonus certainly is a great incentive.

These poor amds sure do get smacked around but running 32 sieves at once should make up for that a bit.

I'm still learning what's best for each machine. It's a fun experience, especially learning that sometimes hyperthreading isn't all it's cracked up to be.

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Message 129456 - Posted: 14 May 2019 | 11:00:11 UTC - in response to Message 129452.


These poor amds sure do get smacked around but running 32 sieves at once should make up for that a bit.

I'm still learning what's best for each machine. It's a fun experience, especially learning that sometimes hyperthreading isn't all it's cracked up to be.


With those 32 cpu cores you can multi-thread some of the tasks and get thru them much faster, I have a 12/24 core 2700x and found there is a limit on some projects as far as efficiency goes though. I did NOT use it here at PG but at another Project 4 cpu cores per wu was better than more than that. This link will get you started as to which projects here at PG can use multi-threading, not all can:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I-CrG89rhFgS2x5_pGn8pyI6vVl7Y_Qn02vEm41ScLY/edit

Be sure to save the resulting app_config.xml file in C:\program data\boinc\projects\www.primegrid.com

Then if you suspend PG, tell Boinc Manager to read the config files and then resume PG you should start using the config file right away.

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Message 129457 - Posted: 14 May 2019 | 11:31:15 UTC - in response to Message 129456.

which project is it?
also where do we find runtimes per WU for PRPNet subprojects?
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Message 129476 - Posted: 14 May 2019 | 16:15:10 UTC - in response to Message 129456.


These poor amds sure do get smacked around but running 32 sieves at once should make up for that a bit.

I'm still learning what's best for each machine. It's a fun experience, especially learning that sometimes hyperthreading isn't all it's cracked up to be.


With those 32 cpu cores you can multi-thread some of the tasks and get thru them much faster, I have a 12/24 core 2700x and found there is a limit on some projects as far as efficiency goes though. I did NOT use it here at PG but at another Project 4 cpu cores per wu was better than more than that. This link will get you started as to which projects here at PG can use multi-threading, not all can:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I-CrG89rhFgS2x5_pGn8pyI6vVl7Y_Qn02vEm41ScLY/edit

Be sure to save the resulting app_config.xml file in C:\program data\boinc\projects\www.primegrid.com

Then if you suspend PG, tell Boinc Manager to read the config files and then resume PG you should start using the config file right away.

I should only use the 8 true cores though, and not all 16 on each machine right? Or does AMD work different than intel and I should use 100% cpu?
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Message 129494 - Posted: 14 May 2019 | 22:53:50 UTC - in response to Message 129476.


These poor amds sure do get smacked around but running 32 sieves at once should make up for that a bit.

I'm still learning what's best for each machine. It's a fun experience, especially learning that sometimes hyperthreading isn't all it's cracked up to be.


With those 32 cpu cores you can multi-thread some of the tasks and get thru them much faster, I have a 12/24 core 2700x and found there is a limit on some projects as far as efficiency goes though. I did NOT use it here at PG but at another Project 4 cpu cores per wu was better than more than that. This link will get you started as to which projects here at PG can use multi-threading, not all can:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I-CrG89rhFgS2x5_pGn8pyI6vVl7Y_Qn02vEm41ScLY/edit

Be sure to save the resulting app_config.xml file in C:\program data\boinc\projects\www.primegrid.com

Then if you suspend PG, tell Boinc Manager to read the config files and then resume PG you should start using the config file right away.


I should only use the 8 true cores though, and not all 16 on each machine right? Or does AMD work different than intel and I should use 100% cpu?
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Try it both ways, you won't really know until you do that. You are looking for the fastest run time for each workunit so let a few run so you get a nice average. I personally use the HT threading because it's easier because of my backup projects.

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