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Found 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,015,755)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,037,766)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,033,022)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,017,050)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,416,890)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,674,024)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,841,816)SR5 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,513,803)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,291,796)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,129)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,025,650)321 Sieve Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,630,670)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,154,201)PPS Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,605,057)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,135,080)TRP Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,119,667)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,249,005)GFN Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (15,240,854)PSA Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,895,092)
Message 125475 - Posted: 27 Jan 2019 | 5:56:53 UTC

Suppose one wants to help with a challenge cleanup, but stay focused on some other subproject. If they select a challenge subproject, chances are they do not get exactly 'cleanup tasks' for many reasons.
Is there a way to only receive challenge cleanup tasks and if there is nothing eligible for a particular computer, do not get a non-cleanup ones?
If not, is it worth implementing a setting similar to 'Send work from other projects...' specifically for cleanup assistance?

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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 1 mega primeFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,822,730)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,005,249)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,009,577)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,754)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,872,444)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,197,957)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (34,291,181)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,007,110)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,276,011)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,801,648)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,195,123)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,885,121)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,114,260)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (72,383,585)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,445,029)
Message 125476 - Posted: 27 Jan 2019 | 6:11:51 UTC - in response to Message 125475.

Suppose one wants to help with a challenge cleanup, but stay focused on some other subproject. If they select a challenge subproject, chances are they do not get exactly 'cleanup tasks' for many reasons.
Is there a way to only receive challenge cleanup tasks and if there is nothing eligible for a particular computer, do not get a non-cleanup ones?
If not, is it worth implementing a setting similar to 'Send work from other projects...' specifically for cleanup assistance?


No and no.

There's almost never cleanup tasks available. While there might be a perception that there's a huge backlog of work waiting to be sent out for the cleanup, the reality is that the cleanup is all about waiting for tasks that have already been sent out to be completed. Or waiting for them to time out and be recycled. At any given moment, there's usually no cleanup tasks waiting to be sent.

The only time there's a lot of cleanup tasks available is immediately after the challenge ends, and if you get work then, all you'll get is cleanup tasks. Otherwise, you're unlikely to get any, and we don't really need any help with the cleanup. You just need to wait for the cleanup to run its course.
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Discovered 1 mega primeFound 2 primes in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,012,503)Cullen LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,011,118)ESP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,022,307)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,004,746)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,871,053)PSP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,123,300)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,113,239)SR5 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,947,019)SGS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,462,951)TRP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,309,179)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,001,901)321 Sieve Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,119,749)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,005,331)PPS Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (68,684,125)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (24,326,731)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (47,668,043)PSA Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,059,222)
Message 125500 - Posted: 27 Jan 2019 | 18:49:23 UTC - in response to Message 125476.

Good to know.
I had the wrong idea that there would be lots of cleanup tasks waiting to be sent out, even long after the challenge end time.

So, that message that appears ocaionally on PG's main page (*** xxx tasks ... of ... cleanup work are currently available ***) is not a call for cleanup help.
I remember I thought so once.
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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 1 mega primeFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,822,730)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,005,249)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,009,577)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,754)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,872,444)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,197,957)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (34,291,181)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,007,110)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,276,011)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,801,648)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,195,123)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,885,121)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,114,260)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (72,383,585)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,445,029)
Message 125509 - Posted: 28 Jan 2019 | 1:54:59 UTC - in response to Message 125500.

Good to know.
I had the wrong idea that there would be lots of cleanup tasks waiting to be sent out, even long after the challenge end time.

So, that message that appears ocaionally on PG's main page (*** xxx tasks ... of ... cleanup work are currently available ***) is not a call for cleanup help.
I remember I thought so once.


It's an indicator of what's there -- but whether it's "a call for help" depends on the numbers.

If it's says there's 4000 cleanup tasks, than yes, it's a call for help.

If it's 1 task, it's probably already gone. That number is only updated every 15 minutes.

Before that line existed, nobody had any clue how much cleanup work was available. Everyone (probably including the admins) assumed there was tons of cleanup work. That's the purpose of that messaging. Most of the time there's almost no cleanup work waiting to be sent out, and now you can know that.
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Message 125521 - Posted: 28 Jan 2019 | 12:52:33 UTC

I've changed the messaging so that it's more indicative of how much help is needed. It's only red if a lot of cleanup tasks are available.
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Discovered 1 mega primeFound 2 primes in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,012,503)Cullen LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,011,118)ESP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,022,307)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,004,746)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,871,053)PSP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,123,300)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,113,239)SR5 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,947,019)SGS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,462,951)TRP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,309,179)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,001,901)321 Sieve Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,119,749)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,005,331)PPS Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (68,684,125)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (24,326,731)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (47,668,043)PSA Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,059,222)
Message 125527 - Posted: 28 Jan 2019 | 13:26:34 UTC - in response to Message 125521.

Thank you, Michael.
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321 LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (587,721)Cullen LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (434,353)ESP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (228,370)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (133,139)PPS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (746,530)PSP LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (951,723)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (30,933,209)SR5 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (221,631)SGS LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (58,225)TRP LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (542,327)Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (783,073)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (120,713)PPS Sieve Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (636,552)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (102,989)TRP Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (139,663)AP 26/27 Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (165,763)GFN Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,170,976)
Message 126064 - Posted: 2 Feb 2019 | 22:24:01 UTC - in response to Message 125476.


Suppose one wants to help with a challenge cleanup, but stay focused on some other subproject. If they select a challenge subproject, chances are they do not get exactly 'cleanup tasks' for many reasons.
Is there a way to only receive challenge cleanup tasks and if there is nothing eligible for a particular computer, do not get a non-cleanup ones?
If not, is it worth implementing a setting similar to 'Send work from other projects...' specifically for cleanup assistance?

No and no.


Of course you can. First, you're such a nice person. Second, on our part we're not nagging you enough. Third, it might change, with each challenge for sub-projects that take tens of days to complete chances (of nagging) just improve (chances, I don't say this option is Good Idea(TM), because...)


The only time there's a lot of cleanup tasks available is immediately after the challenge ends, and if you get work then, all you'll get is cleanup tasks. Otherwise, you're unlikely to get any, and we don't really need any help with the cleanup. You just need to wait for the cleanup to run its course.


Well, I'm doing manual interventions in cleanup for couple of years (after I've gave up on challenges) so, while I don't have statistics to back it up, but from observation chances to get cleanup task are ~1/4. 3/4 are regular tasks. Also, *last* intervention probably was a mistake. I didn't know any better.

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Message 126067 - Posted: 2 Feb 2019 | 23:24:27 UTC

Good luck responding to this one Mike, I've read it 6 times and I still don't understand what he/she means. :)
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