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Message boards : Sieving : PPR12M manual sieving to end at p=20000T (20P)

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Discovered 1 mega prime321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,691,081)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,031,868)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,064,082)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,038,750)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,000,220)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,639,762)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (42,604,648)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,829,173)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,070,105)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,291,092)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,046,412)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,057,614)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,002,919)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,005,451)PPS Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (52,042,965)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,341,676)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,070,804)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,742,251)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (50,000,251)PSA Double Gold: Earned 500,000,000 credits (728,547,693)
Message 97609 - Posted: 11 Aug 2016 | 0:02:39 UTC
Last modified: 11 Aug 2016 | 0:12:17 UTC

As a heads-up to everyone, we've decided to stop PPR12M manual sieving at p=20,000T (as of this moment we're reserved through p=14,302T). At the rate we've sieved over the last year, that's about eight months worth of work. Factor density is getting low enough that it's becoming difficult to be certain that any given range was sieved properly. Given that we're at least ten years from using PPR12M sieving to generate LLR work, we're better off with users running PPS (9M) sieving on BOINC. When that reaches optimum, PPR12M moves to BOINC and we will not be starting any new PPR manual sieving. This way all subsequent sieving is doublechecked and we don't need to worry about whether we're missing candidates.

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Found 2 primes in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,035,398)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,047,548)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,586,221)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,014,465)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (16,272,858)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,709,696)SoB LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,319,493)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,093,822)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,040,979)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,045,113)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,097,219)321 Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (102,285,033)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (100,500,349)PPS Sieve Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (243,349,119)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,516,062)TRP Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,329,228)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,303,946)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (44,629,836)PSA Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (116,531,700)
Message 97610 - Posted: 11 Aug 2016 | 0:20:03 UTC - in response to Message 97609.

Thanks for the heads-up.

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321 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,001,858)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,975,928)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,863,361)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,855,742)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,346,543)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,723,187)SoB LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,390,120)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,913,425)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,613,514)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,155,477)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,857,548)321 Sieve Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,093,337)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,037,204)PPS Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,305,147)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,000,053)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,030,160)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,253,048)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (26,797,188)PSA Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (170,758,062)
Message 97611 - Posted: 11 Aug 2016 | 0:24:50 UTC - in response to Message 97609.

When that reaches optimum, PPR12M moves to BOINC and we will not be starting any new PPR manual sieving. This way all subsequent sieving is doublechecked and we don't need to worry about whether we're missing candidates.

I assume it'll be another badge, no?
When that reaches optimum

Since the thread was already up, I guess I'll take the chance and ask: any rough estimates as to what the optimal point would be / when we'll hit it?

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Found 2 primes in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,035,398)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,047,548)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,586,221)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,014,465)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (16,272,858)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,709,696)SoB LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,319,493)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,093,822)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,040,979)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,045,113)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,097,219)321 Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (102,285,033)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (100,500,349)PPS Sieve Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (243,349,119)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,516,062)TRP Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,329,228)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,303,946)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (44,629,836)PSA Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (116,531,700)
Message 97612 - Posted: 11 Aug 2016 | 0:31:50 UTC - in response to Message 97611.

When that reaches optimum, PPR12M moves to BOINC and we will not be starting any new PPR manual sieving. This way all subsequent sieving is doublechecked and we don't need to worry about whether we're missing candidates.

I assume it'll be another badge, no?

I was wondering the same thing.

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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 1 mega primeFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,822,730)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,005,249)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,009,577)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,754)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,843,762)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,197,957)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (34,291,181)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,004,590)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,276,011)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,737,347)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,195,123)321 Sieve Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (9,403,740)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,114,159)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,114,260)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (72,383,585)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,404,447)
Message 97613 - Posted: 11 Aug 2016 | 0:48:43 UTC - in response to Message 97611.
Last modified: 11 Aug 2016 | 0:51:58 UTC

When that reaches optimum, PPR12M moves to BOINC and we will not be starting any new PPR manual sieving. This way all subsequent sieving is doublechecked and we don't need to worry about whether we're missing candidates.

I assume it'll be another badge, no?


No. Manual sieving credit is applied to the PSA badge, and BOINC PPS sieving credit is applied to the PPS-Sieve badge. Nothing changes with regards to badges.
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Discovered 1 mega prime321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,691,081)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,031,868)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,064,082)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,038,750)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,000,220)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,639,762)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (42,604,648)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,829,173)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,070,105)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,291,092)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,046,412)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,057,614)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,002,919)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,005,451)PPS Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (52,042,965)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,341,676)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,070,804)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,742,251)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (50,000,251)PSA Double Gold: Earned 500,000,000 credits (728,547,693)
Message 97614 - Posted: 11 Aug 2016 | 0:51:09 UTC

Another badge? No. The same PPS Sv badge was used for PPS 3M, 6M and now 9M. It's exactly the same everything except one uses -n6M -N9M in the command line and the other uses -n9M -N12M. As was said elsewhere, the current PPS sieving under BOINC will not hit optimal until something like p=900P and will be evaluated when we get closer to that level. Currently PPS 9M sieving on BOINC is at p=186.3P so we're a long way off. I would expect that PPR12M sieving will hit optimal at something like p=1600P but again that's very far off and much could change by then.

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321 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,001,858)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,975,928)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,863,361)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,855,742)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,346,543)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,723,187)SoB LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,390,120)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,913,425)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,613,514)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,155,477)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,857,548)321 Sieve Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,093,337)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,037,204)PPS Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,305,147)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,000,053)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,030,160)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,253,048)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (26,797,188)PSA Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (170,758,062)
Message 97615 - Posted: 11 Aug 2016 | 0:51:54 UTC - in response to Message 97613.
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[quote]When that reaches optimum, PPR12M moves to BOINC and we will not be starting any new PPR manual sieving. This way all subsequent sieving is doublechecked and we don't need to worry about whether we're missing candidates.

I assume it'll be another badge, no?

No. Manual sieving credit is applied to the PSA badge, and BOINC PPS sieving credit is applied to the PPS-Sieve badge. Nothing changes with regards to badges.

That... makes no sense. If PPR-Sieving is going to be on Boinc, it would only be natural for it to have a badge, much like PSP and GC had one in the past.

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Discovered 1 mega prime321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,691,081)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,031,868)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,064,082)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,038,750)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,000,220)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,639,762)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (42,604,648)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,829,173)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,070,105)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,291,092)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,046,412)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,057,614)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,002,919)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,005,451)PPS Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (52,042,965)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,341,676)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,070,804)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,742,251)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (50,000,251)PSA Double Gold: Earned 500,000,000 credits (728,547,693)
Message 97617 - Posted: 11 Aug 2016 | 0:59:13 UTC
Last modified: 11 Aug 2016 | 1:00:18 UTC

Though I refer to PPR12M sieving and on BOINC it's called PPS sieving, it's the same thing. PPR is more technically correct as in Prime Proth Riesel sieving. In both cases we're sieving both Proth (c=1) and Riesel (c=-1) candidates. It doesn't add much overhead to include the Riesel candidates. BOINC is also sieving both Proth and Riesel, but the badge is called PPS to match the LLR PPS, PPSE and PPS Mega projects. You can see the Riesel sieves we make available at http://www.primegrid.com/sieving/rsp but please don't go downloading them just for the heck of it - we pay for every byte of outgoing data.

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Message 97618 - Posted: 11 Aug 2016 | 1:02:39 UTC - in response to Message 97617.

Though I refer to PPR12M sieving and on BOINC it's called PPS sieving, it's the same thing. PPR is more technically correct as in Prime Proth Riesel sieving. In both cases we're sieving both Proth (c=1) and Riesel (c=-1) candidates. It doesn't add much overhead to include the Riesel candidates. BOINC is also sieving both Proth and Riesel, but the badge is called PPS to match the LLR PPS, PPSE and PPS Mega projects. You can see the Riesel sieves we make available at http://www.primegrid.com/sieving/rsp but please don't go downloading them just for the heck of it - we pay for every byte of outgoing data.

Aha.

Everything is clear now.

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Message 98483 - Posted: 3 Sep 2016 | 16:28:52 UTC - in response to Message 97618.
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At the pace we have moved the past three weeks, it seems like the end of the year is now the ETA for 20P. The new NVIDIA cards have changed the rates of completion for each range being downloaded.

Jim, how much is reasonable for you to wait for a particular range to be returned?

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Message 98497 - Posted: 3 Sep 2016 | 23:33:33 UTC - in response to Message 98483.

Jim, how much is reasonable for you to wait for a particular range to be returned?

Any reservation two weeks or more old shows up in my "late" display. When I look at that screen, I also look at the size of the reservation and which user reserved it. There's a link there to show me sieving history for that user. For a minimum size reservation or a first-time siever, I might well send a PM at the two-week mark. For a large reservation (say a 20T PPR12M), I'll wait quite a bit longer. Even when I send a PM, I'm not demanding an upload, but wanting to get an idea of when it'll be finished. There's a lot of confusion among new users - some seem to think their computer will automatically perform any manual sieving they reserve. It happens regularly that people respond to my PMs having no idea what I'm talking about and could I please cancel their sieving range, which I do.

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Found 2 primes in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,035,398)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,047,548)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,586,221)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,014,465)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (16,272,858)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,709,696)SoB LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,319,493)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,093,822)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,040,979)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,045,113)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,097,219)321 Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (102,285,033)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (100,500,349)PPS Sieve Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (243,349,119)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,516,062)TRP Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,329,228)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,303,946)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (44,629,836)PSA Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (116,531,700)
Message 98498 - Posted: 4 Sep 2016 | 0:49:04 UTC - in response to Message 98497.

The reason I ask is that some of us may reserve a little more than usual as we approach 20P and which, by extension, will mean a greater turnaround time than what is otherwise normal.

Anyway, your reply is very helpful.

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Discovered 2 mega primesFound 2 primes in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 12 primes in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,076,824)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,287,148)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,174,327)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,028,260)PPS LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (38,620,190)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,151,448)SoB LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,014,268)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,871,275)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,860,522)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,568,836)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,036,418)321 Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (94,961,846)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (127,922,665)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (30,984,158)PPS Sieve Double Ruby: Earned 2,000,000,000 credits (2,761,079,363)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,134,964)TRP Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,013,696)AP 26/27 Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (276,723,135)GFN Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (243,331,889)PSA Double Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000,000 credits (1,370,700,486)
Message 100018 - Posted: 19 Oct 2016 | 20:57:06 UTC

It appears that some ranges timed out. I saw where my latest reservations are back in the 15's

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Discovered 1 mega prime321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,691,081)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,031,868)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,064,082)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,038,750)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,000,220)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,639,762)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (42,604,648)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,829,173)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,070,105)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,291,092)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,046,412)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,057,614)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,002,919)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,005,451)PPS Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (52,042,965)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,341,676)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,070,804)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,742,251)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (50,000,251)PSA Double Gold: Earned 500,000,000 credits (728,547,693)
Message 100020 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016 | 4:26:37 UTC - in response to Message 98498.

The reason I ask is that some of us may reserve a little more than usual as we approach 20P and which, by extension, will mean a greater turnaround time than what is otherwise normal.

Anyway, your reply is very helpful.

Expect me to not allow people to reserve more than they can do in two weeks as we approach p=20P. I might well put the maximum PPR12M reservation to 5T and restrict people to some rather low number of simultaneous reservations. I don't like hoarding ranges and I can and will cancel any sieving reservations that I think are abusing the system. Remember, I wrote that code and can add any new features on a moment's notice. While it's not possible to restrict how many PPR12M reservations someone can have now (it's a total of open reservations across all sieving projects), I could add that in fifteen minutes. That's the advantage of this not being BOINC code, I can do whatever I want with it.

I've already restricted some current users from making more reservations until they finish what they've reserved. If that keeps happening, I'll build that feature into the system: As in if you have an unfinished or pending reservation more than 14 days old, you can't make any new reservations. I don't necessarily want to do that, but when large reservations get to be well over a month old, I just get more frustrated.

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Found 2 primes in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,035,398)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,047,548)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,586,221)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,014,465)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (16,272,858)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,709,696)SoB LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,319,493)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,093,822)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,040,979)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,045,113)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,097,219)321 Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (102,285,033)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (100,500,349)PPS Sieve Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (243,349,119)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,516,062)TRP Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,329,228)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,303,946)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (44,629,836)PSA Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (116,531,700)
Message 100021 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016 | 8:05:26 UTC - in response to Message 100020.

... but when large reservations get to be well over a month old, I just get more frustrated.

We all get frustrated since some of us are also trying to meet personal targets and where every available 1T range is very meaningful.

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Discovered 1 mega prime321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,691,081)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,031,868)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,064,082)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,038,750)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,000,220)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,639,762)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (42,604,648)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,829,173)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,070,105)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,291,092)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,046,412)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,057,614)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,002,919)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,005,451)PPS Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (52,042,965)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,341,676)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,070,804)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,742,251)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (50,000,251)PSA Double Gold: Earned 500,000,000 credits (728,547,693)
Message 100391 - Posted: 29 Oct 2016 | 13:30:31 UTC
Last modified: 29 Oct 2016 | 20:37:10 UTC

There are still a bunch of late PPR12M reservations. The following are now in effect:

1) Maximum reservation size for PPR12M is now 10T. 20T is obviously unrealistic for many of you.

2) Maximum number of simultaneous open reservations is reduced to 5.

3) If you have an open reservation older than 14 days, you can't make new reservations.

Every action on manual sieving is logged - that's every reservation, cancellation, upload plus any admin actions taken by me. So please don't try to game the system, I'll know.

EDIT: After six hours of sleep I'm feeling more charitable. Anyone who usually gets their work in within two weeks can have the 5 simultaneous reservation limit pushed higher on an individual basis (two people have it already). Be prepared to explain why that should happen. Hoarding ranges or making the next badge level before PPR12M runs out of work don't count as reasons to me. Please contact me by PM, not in the forums.

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