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Discovered 1 mega prime321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,614,439)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,440,687)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,738,876)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,292,626)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,822,952)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,000,433)SoB LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,270,987)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,040,727)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,333,837)TRP LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,547,399)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,282,622)321 Sieve Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (211,186)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (59,788,598)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,143,068)PPS Sieve Double Gold: Earned 500,000,000 credits (524,673,938)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,130,821)TRP Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,074,710)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (25,418,937)GFN Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (175,905,284)PSA Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (62,378,755)
Message 78372 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014 | 18:05:37 UTC

Something in the Sierpinski ESP Sieve work unit validation needs to be beefed up. Host 438354 has plenty of error and inconclusive tasks, but also a lot which have been declared valid after a run time of less than 5 seconds. That can't be right. The most recent ones are dated July 25th, so maybe this has been stopped, but I wanted to point out that there are some bad double-checks (at least) out there.

--Gary

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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 1 mega primeFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,085,897)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,005,249)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,009,577)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,754)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,762,857)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,632,269)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (34,221,148)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,293,415)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,012,222)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,737,347)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,195,123)321 Sieve Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,046,112)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,110,788)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,110,217)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (65,591,694)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,404,447)
Message 78376 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014 | 20:48:30 UTC - in response to Message 78372.

There's a problem there, yes. We're looking into it. Thanks.
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321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,071,006)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,831,475)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,064,082)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,589,971)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,668,927)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,013,650)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (42,020,807)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,987,079)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,069,865)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,683)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,595,228)321 Sieve Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,567,640)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,002,919)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,005,451)PPS Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (50,809,179)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,341,676)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,070,804)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,742,251)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (31,494,612)PSA Double Gold: Earned 500,000,000 credits (642,932,003)
Message 78377 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014 | 21:43:32 UTC

The problem should now be fixed. I'm not sure why I didn't make this change quite a while ago, actually.

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Eliminated 1 conjecture "k"Found 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de Primes321 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,698,294)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,655,866)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,198,062)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,817,032)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,016,096)PSP LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,891,779)SoB LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,111,741)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,278,494)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,457,856)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,714,186)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,726,778)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,094,130)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,628,594)PPS Sieve Double Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000,000 credits (1,040,865,445)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,235,150)TRP Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,376,844)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,615,539)GFN Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (427,593,017)PSA Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (125,462,363)
Message 78390 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014 | 23:55:56 UTC

I've been getting numerous errored out WUs, 90% on my AMD Phenom CPUs. Might there be a connection to this and the app it self? Looking at my WUs, only errors from today are showing so I guess past ones were slipping through the validation before this fix. But this still doesn't explain all the errors while computing. More errors (25+) on this since I started this sub project than all other CPU sub projects combined over the past year, so something is up with the PSP sieve app, at least for me.
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Largest Primes to Date:
As Double Checker: SR5 109208*5^1816285+1 Dgts-1,269,534
As Initial Finder: SR5 243944*5^1258576-1 Dgts-879,713


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321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,071,006)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,831,475)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,064,082)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,589,971)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,668,927)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,013,650)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (42,020,807)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,987,079)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,069,865)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,683)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,595,228)321 Sieve Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,567,640)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,002,919)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,005,451)PPS Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (50,809,179)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,341,676)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,070,804)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,742,251)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (31,494,612)PSA Double Gold: Earned 500,000,000 credits (642,932,003)
Message 78392 - Posted: 28 Jul 2014 | 2:02:17 UTC
Last modified: 28 Jul 2014 | 2:28:51 UTC

Any sieving result affected by the validator change will show up with a status of "Validate Error". Those are listed with the invalid tasks. By definition this change is only going to affect jobs that didn't run long enough to yield a real result.

You have very few sieving errors, none of which would have been affected by the limited changes I made. in fact I'm not sure what you're looking at when you say 90% errored out on your AMD-based hosts.

Later edit: If you're clicking on the task and talking about "Factors file not found" that just means there were no factors in the p range you searched. That's not an error.

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Eliminated 1 conjecture "k"Found 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de Primes321 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,698,294)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,655,866)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,198,062)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,817,032)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,016,096)PSP LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,891,779)SoB LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,111,741)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,278,494)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,457,856)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,714,186)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,726,778)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,094,130)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,628,594)PPS Sieve Double Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000,000 credits (1,040,865,445)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,235,150)TRP Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,376,844)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,615,539)GFN Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (427,593,017)PSA Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (125,462,363)
Message 78394 - Posted: 28 Jul 2014 | 3:46:12 UTC
Last modified: 28 Jul 2014 | 4:05:46 UTC

I have no inconclusive or invalids currently.

ESP-Sieve - All 1329 | In progress 306 | Pending 293 | Inconclusive | Valid 725 | Aborted | Invalid | Error 5

All my errors are while computing and never finish and reported by BOINC as Error While Computing. This happens at varying points in the WUs computation, anywhere from near the beginning to near the end time wise.

Edit: Those 5 errors from today where after a power outage earlier upon reboot.

I'm not sure what you're looking at when you say 90% errored out on your AMD-based hosts

I mean of those that errored out, 90% where on my 2 AMD computers and 10% where on my 2 Intel ones.
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Largest Primes to Date:
As Double Checker: SR5 109208*5^1816285+1 Dgts-1,269,534
As Initial Finder: SR5 243944*5^1258576-1 Dgts-879,713


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